I need to map at least 8-10 banks for Ableton Push, how can I do this?

Question

I need to map at least 8-10 banks in Ableton Push 1 in order for Waverazor to be useful to me while using Push as my MIDI controller. Right now, Waverazor automatically maps the the 8 Macros, the XY settings and a couple of toggles for Wav-Seqeuncing, etc. ...about 2 banks on the Push 1.

The issue is, I am unable to assign anymore parameters to Push for some reason. If I do the usual for mapping parameters (Click Configure, move a dial/parameter in order to add it to Push settings) nothing happens. It will not let me add anything else, which is odd. All of my other synths are able to do this so I've cancelled out taht it might be some type of settings in Ableton gone wrong.

Any suggestions?

FWIW, if I use the INIT patch it simply shows, Macro1, Macro 2, etc.. in Pushs' LED screen but no assigments can be made when trying to configure.

Answer 1

Unfortunately, mapping that many parameters in Waverazor isn't possible at the moment.  All external controller mappings go through the macros (9 knobs, 3 buttons, 4 XY controls), and there are a few more mapped to the Arp On/Off button, Input Level and Output Level.  19 in total.  In the future, we would like to add additional MIDI controller inputs that you can route through the modulation matrix.

We've set things up this way because of the flexibility in a Waverazor patch... which also creates inconsistent conditions...  While other synths have fixed amounts of parameters and GUI pages that never change, Waverazor transforms from patch to patch according to how it's been set up.  Each oscillator may have between 1 and 16 slices, and you can have between 0 and 24 filters.  There can be 0 to 48 effects, and 0 to 128 modulation routes (some potentially with multiple destinations).  You can have 0 to 128 mod sources, and they might be all LFOs, or they might be all Envelopes, or something else.

Since it's so open ended and "modular", there wasn't a good way to do direct mappings in Waverazor.  We felt the next best choice was to have mappings go through the macro layer so they could be routed by the sound designer according to how the patch was programmed.  However, we have recognized the need for more external control, so we are looking at implementing additional map points in future updates.

I wish we had a better answer for you currently, but we'll keep working on it.  I certainly appreciate your question, and that you took the time to explain how you use the Push with your synths.  That gives us a clear example to try and implement.

Many thanks and all the best,

Taiho

MOK

Comments

Ok, that explains why. I was hoping it wasn't anything in my settings that I had screwed up. :D

So if I have an INIT patch (which is what i prefer to start off with) and I want to assign Oscillator 1 > Num Steps to MACRO A1 in Ableton Live, how do I do this? FWIW, I like to start with an INIT patch and work from there, I learn the synth better that way.

At the moment, if I click on Num Steps knobs while (Ableton Live's ) Configure button is on nothing happens. I went into the Matrix CTRL to try and assign as well but nothing happens. Is that how it's done? IF so, I guess I need to read that part of the manual. :D

Thnaks for the reply back!

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Cool, Num Steps is fun parameter to modulate!  :)

First, Ableton Live needs to target Macro A1 through automation.  That's how the Push gets routed to control the Waverazor macro knob.  From there, add a mod route to the matrix and choose Controls > Macro A1 > Control Value in the source slot.  Then select Oscillator > Oscillator 1 > Num Steps for the destination.  That should create your basic connection.

From there, you can change how the modulation behaves by selecting min/max ranges, response curves, and even the basic math of how the modulation is calculated.  Don't sweat it, because the mod matrix default values should work fine as they are, but if you really want to get into it, there are quite a few options for tweaking detailed in the manual.

The same is true for the macro knob itself.  Aside from renaming it, you can change its behavior (feel), and even the way it "fills" onscreen when its value increases or decreases.

Anyway, hope that helps!

All the best,
Taiho
MOK